Natural Cycle IVF, OHSS and Multiples
Happy New Year to all those wonderful people out in cyberspace who read this blog. Mom, check your mail for the family calendar that I sent you and tell Dad to stop shoveling the snow himself unless he wants to keel over from a heart attack this winter.
January is the time for New Year’s Resolutions and one of mine is to resume this blog with the regularity that I was able to maintain prior to Tatiana’s sudden death (see last post). Part of healing is moving forward without losing your connection to the past and it is in this spirit that I am taking up pen and paper to continue the work set before me of correcting all of the misinformation provided to patients by all of those REs that do not agree with my opinions (just kidding…sort of..).
So for the coming year from a clinical perspective I would love to see no twins and no cases of ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome (OHSS). These are laudable goals. As readers of this blog are aware I am not favorable inclined towards twins. Yes they make cute Christmas cards and occasionally can generate income for families by appearing on TV and in print advertising but you can’t count on that revenue stream. The problem with twins rests in the risk of prematurity. Some twins will deliver in the midtrimester and die. Some twins will deliver early and survive with significant medical problems and some twins will go full-term and end up on Christmas cards the week after delivery. We never know which outcome a patient will have….
However, unless we limit patients to transfer of a single embryo, the chance for non-identical (fraternal) twins is always present. Interestingly, a study showed that even when patients were informed of the risk of transfer of 2 vs. 1 embryo, they chose ET of 2 if putting back a single embryo dropped the overall success rate by as little as 5%.
OHSS is also a tough problem. Although the ideal number of eggs to me is 8-12 we sometimes overshoot the runway and end up with too many growing follicles. Options include cycle cancellation or retrieval of eggs and subsequent freezing of embryos without a fresh ET but this is frustrating to patients…eventhough it is often the best choice.
So how do we completely avoid the temptation to transfer more than one embryo and also avoid the risk of OHSS completely? Well there is a way to do that and it is called Natural Cycle IVF. Today’s “Question of the Day” reflects this important issue and here at Dominion the issue of Natural Cycle IVF is close to our hearts as we launched our Natural Cycle IVF program last January.
Tomorrow I want to address why the Natural Cycle IVF Bandwagon has yet to stop in your town…
63. What is natural cycle IVF? And why does my fertility clinic not offer this treatment?
The use of natural-cycle IVF (NC-IVF) has been proposed as a means of reducing the risk of multiple pregnancies, eliminating the costs and risks associated with fertility drugs, and reducing the stress and time commitment needed for traditional stimulated IVF. This approach has been espoused by a number of leaders in the field of IVF, including Dr. Robert Edwards, whose pioneering work along with Dr. Patrick Steptoe’s led to the birth of the world’s first IVF baby, Louise Brown, in 1978.
NC-IVF avoids the use of ovarian stimulation drugs, which cost about $4000 per treatment cycle. With NC-IVF the risks of ovarian hyperstimulation, multiple pregnancy, and the issues of cryopreserved extra embryos are avoided as only one embryo is produced. Total costs are about 20% to 25% of the total cost of conventional IVF.
However, NC-IVF has its own set of disadvantages. For example, by not using fertility drugs, unexpected premature “LH surging” or ovulation can occur, leading to cancellation of the planned egg retrieval. This occurs in about 20% to 30% of treatment cycles. In such cases, if the fallopian tubes are open, the doctor may recommend converting the treatment to an intrauterine insemination (IUI) to try to produce a pregnancy. Furthermore, because only one egg and one embryo are produced, the chances for pregnancy are less than with conventional IVF where two or more embryos are typically replaced.
Proponents of NC-IVF expect the “cumulative” pregnancy rate for NC-IVF to be similar to a single cycle of conventional IVF within one to four treatment cycles of NC-IVF. The best candidates for NC-IVF are patients with regular menstrual cycles who are less than 36 years old and have a normal day three FSH level. Patients with tubal-factor infertility or male factor infertility may be good candidates for NC-IVF before resorting to conventional IVF. Patients with poor ovarian reserve or unexplained infertility will probably experience poorer outcomes with NC-IVF compared with those patients with male factor or tubal factor infertility.
Many European fertility centers routinely use NC-IVF with good success rates. For a variety of reasons, the availability of NC-IVF in the United States has been limited. We believe that NC-IVF will soon become increasingly available as patients will demand less stressful and less costly fertility treatments that utilize little to no fertility drugs with good pregnancy rates.







28 comments:
Hi Dr G
I found your post most interesting with specific regard to natural IVF. I am a 38 year old female and had 4 terminations by age 35 due to chromosone abnormalities. (Some miscarried naturally between 9-14 weeks and one at 23 weeks) There is no known reason and my husband and I have had extensive testing done, showing we are both normal. In addition each pregnancy showed a different abnormality. I fell pregnant naturally a few months later and gave birth to a normal baby boy in June 2005 who is truly a blessing. In October 2006 we underwent fertility, but I did not respond to the hormone drugs at all, and as a result produced one egg, as I would during my normal cycle. This egg was fertilised and then PGD test done (chromosones tested) before it was put back, but the pregnancy did not take. It is now over a year down the line and I want to call the fertility clinic to find out if they can't take one egg out on my natural cycle every month for approx 6 months, freeze them and then fertilize them, then do the PGD testing prior to being put back. I believe this is possible and in that way I would not have to be pumped full of hormone treatment and taking into the account that I did not respond to 3 different stimulation treatments. Has this been done before and what is the likely success rate? Many thanks, Lisa
I have been asked this question many times and presently the only clinic that is offering this approach is New Hope Fertility in NYC. Certainly a creative way of treating fertility but it does create issues when calculating pregnancy stats....
Good luck
DrG
Dr G.
I am 31 (soon to be 32). My tubes are blocked and unblocking them was very unsuccessful. I have level 4 scar tissue, but my uterous is OK :) I thought IVF was my only option until I saw NC-IVF and am really excited to learn more. But I am concerned because I require clomid to raise my progesterone level to ovulate. Could I still be a good candidate for NC-IVF?
I look forward to your response,
Jennifer
Who offers natural IVF in the west? I am in Arizona and can travel..a little, but it's just awful I can't even make my own medical decisions because of politics. What happened to informed consent?
I would ask your local RE if they would consider Natural Cycle IVF. Please feel free to contact RESOLVE and tell Barb Collura (National RESOLVE President) how you feel and perhaps change will come over at CDC in terms of IVF reporting.
Good luck
DrG
Do you know If any fertility center in San Jose/San Francisco offers NCIVF?
Thanks April
Dear Dr G i live in Europe (Holland) and was wondering that if i have age 32 and mainly regular but like 31-35-38 days cycles, is it anything we have to be careful when going into NC ivf? (problem lies on the male side) Second question would be, why is a regular cycle so important?
Oops seemed to have missed a couple of questions here...
In regards to which clinics offer Natural Cycle IVF you can look at the CDC website as I believe that it may be listed. Otherwise you can simply call local REs and see who is willing to do Natural Cycle IVF.
Maria- A cycle that is 35 days is probably OK but there are some [atients who have long cycles that never really develop a good follicle. No folicle...no Natural Cycle IVF. Hope it works out for you.
DrG
thank u, so the length itself not an issue if has a healthy function, if i understand well. thank you for the answer :-)
Dr. G: I suffered severe OHSS in March following my HcG shot and was hospitalized for a week. My RE was unwilling to address my continued pain and abdomen swelling after I left the hospital. I am still in considerable pain -- any suggestions on REs who have experience with severe OHSS in the San Francisco Bay Area?
Gina,
Sounds pretty rough, sorry that you are still not feeling well. My favorite Bay Area REs are Eldon Schriock at PFC and David Adamson at FPNC and Amin Milki at Stanford. Vic Fujimoto at UCSF is also very good.
A bit unusual to still have pain this far out from OHSS....
Good luck
DrG
Dear Dr. G:
Regarding regular IVF, there are women who simply cannot give shots to themselves. This is why they choose NC-IVF, which has less chances. At the same time, NC-IVF is not performed in every fertility clinic. There aren't too many options in the US... In Europe, arrangements can be made so that women can have the shots given by specialized people at various clinics or hospitals. Why can't this be done in the US? Hopefully this will happen in the US sometime, because many couples give up to the idea of even trying to undergo IVF because of this reason.
Thanks,
Monica
Monica,
We have never been unable to accommodate a patient that is unable to give herself injections. There are many nurses willing to contract with IVF patients to come to their home and give them their fertility shots. Of course, this comes at a price and the market dictates how much such a service will cost...
DrG
Hi Dr. G:
What is considered a normal level of HGC for a pregnancy test after an IVF?
Thank you,
Fannie
I am 39 years old with a 20 month old Son. My CD3 FSH level was 18 CD 10 was 30. Would I be a candidate for NC-IVF?
Thank you,
Collene
Collene,
Although the success rate with NC IVF would be very low in your situation the more important question is whether it is better than no treatment or just IUI given your history...
Good luck
DrG
Dear Dr G, would you recommend a NC IVF in my case: I am 37 years old, 3-d FSH is 5, cycle is 26–28 days, everything else is normal, our problem is male factor - very low count. Are there any limitations to the male factor? Appreciate your response.
Emily
Hello Dr. G
I have been doing some research on natural IVF and it seems like this is the way I want to go. I am 34 and have had 2 tubal reversals with no pregnacys to speak of. I live in South NJ and am trying to find a place close by. My only option that I've found so far is in NY. Do you know of any? I saw that you told someone else to look at the CDC website. What is that? Do you know the exact website address we can go to, to locate clinics near by? Thank you, Cheyenne
Emily,
You are a pretty good candidate to at least give Natural Cycle IVF a try. However, no doubt the preg rate with stimulated IVF will be higher. We have an ongoing pregnancy using frozen testicular sperm that was very poor quality but good enough to make a baby!
DrG
Cheyenne,
You can check out Dr. Jerome Check in NJ. Otherwise, you can drive to NYC or south to DC.
If you google "CDC IVF statistics" then you will find the correct website. Click on "Find a clinic" and go to NJ. Then click on each clinic listed. At the top of the page is a listing as to what % of the IVF cycles are "unstimulated" and that is what you want.
The CDC stats run 3 years behind. Current numbers are for 2005. We started Natural Cycle IVF in 2007 so our listing still says 0% unstimulated IVF.
Hope this makes sense.
Good luck
DrG
DR.G Help! I am 27 from up state ny. I have ben blesseb with three girls but then had my tubes clamped. the clamps caused alot of problemas and were removed then I had a tuble. latter because of problems my doctor at the time had to remove my tubes and a peace of my ovary my husbin and I wand so badly to have a baby. could this work for me withought my tubes???
I was wondering if you know of any Natural IVF doctors in Ohio. We will be trying in the next year and would prefer to go the Natural route.
Hello,
The more I learn of Natural Conception cycles, I get extremely excited. Prayerfully and in all my research I found its best for women to prepare naturally before for IVF, IUI or DI. I've been working with Surrogates and a couple of infetile couples who really need to take the natural approach physically. I sell the best Doctor and Herbalist approved natural remedies and therapies available for total reproductive health. Accupunture retreats for fertility focuses on the reproductive system, implantation, and a healthy conception. These natural methods helps to reduce miscarriage, and early labor, and increase the chances of implantation and pregnancy. I work with Surrogates but at the same time Women who wish to carry their own babies to term can greatly benefit from these Natural fertility methods. Please visit www (dot) SurroMiracleDreams (at) info (dot) com Have a blessed day and much successful cycles to you all.
My husband has low sperm count of 1.1 mil and low morp the whole 9. I had hsg done and they said that my tubes did not move and maybe I should have laproscopy done. My RE stated that they only way we could concieve woudl be IVF..What are the odds that we would concieve thru IVF.
You should be a good candidate for IVF with ICSI but I defer to your RE as your age and ovarian reserve will impact the chance of success.
Good luck
DrG
My age is 26 and husband is 27. What do you mean by ovarian reserve and how do we know when we should go to IVf? Is IVF with ICSI less costly then regular IVF? We have quotes in our area Nashville, tn for $8800 as Our insurance will not cover infertilty.
Hello Dr G
I had 2 failed IVF cycles one year ago. In latest cycle, I got OHSS and an ovarian cyst. Do you think that I am suitable for another try?
thanks,
coco
Oops somehow missed these comments.
Regarding IVF with ICSI. Usually ICSI is an additional charge in addition to the usual IVF cost (maybe 2-3K more).
Coco, I would ask that question of your RE...sounds OK to try but would be helpful to try and determine why the first 2 cycles failed.
Good luck
DrG
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